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Should Women Preach?




What are some lies that are still out there in our Christian circles about women?


I wonder how many women have been called to preach the Word of God, but are silenced in a church because "women are not supposed to preach".

Here are some of the popular Bible verses used to keep women from preaching in the church:

Women should remain silent in the churches.
1 Corinthians 14:33b-35 "The women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says. If they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is improper for a woman to speak in church. (NASB)

The entire chapter of 1 Corinthians 14 is about having order during the worship service so that people will not be distracted from worshiping God. It addresses speaking in tongues, prophecy, and doing things orderly so that the Lord will be edified. When it says "women should remain silent in the churches", it is not talking about preaching. It doesn't say exactly why Paul said this about the Corinthian women. Maybe they were disrupting the service, questioning what was being said, or trying to get attention on themselves. Paul's reasoning was based on a localized cultural issue. Paul also tells the entire Corinthian church to keep silent if there is no interpreter to tongues - 14:28 "But if there is no interpreter, he must keep silent in the church; and let him speak to himself and to God. (NASB) Silence is mentioned again in 14:30 " But if a revelation is made to another who is seated, the first one must keep silent."(NASB) During this chapter, Paul doesn't refer only to women when he talks about being silent in the church.

The Message Version of the Bible explains 1 Corinthians 14:
34-36 this way. "Wives must not disrupt worship, talking when they should be listening, asking questions that could more appropriately be asked of their husbands at home. God's Book of the law guides our manners and customs here. Wives have no license to use the time of worship for unwarranted speaking. Do you—both women and men—imagine that you're a sacred oracle determining what's right and wrong? Do you think everything revolves around you?"

Women are not to teach or have authority over men.
1 Timothy 2:11-15 "A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. But women will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety."

Paul was concerned about the Ephesian believers turning to false doctrines and religious beliefs. In 1 Timothy 1:3 Paul is telling Timothy that the Ephesians are not to teach any other doctrine other than the apostle's doctrine. In 1 Timothy 1:4 Paul wanted Timothy to make sure that they didn't get into other beliefs, since Ephesus was a center for different false religions. These other religions, in Ephesus, were being led by women and they involved sexual orgies. The women were deceiving men and drawing them into these false religions. This probably is why Paul had concerns about the women taking over in churches. Paul says in 1 Timothy 2:11 that he wants the Ephesian women to be submissive to the church leaders probably because of the current situations in Ephesus at that time.

The Message Version of the Bible explains
1 Timothy 2:11-15 this way "I don't let women take over and tell the men what to do. They should study to be quiet and obedient along with everyone else. Adam was made first, then Eve; woman was deceived first—our pioneer in sin!—with Adam right on her heels. On the other hand, her childbearing brought about salvation, reversing Eve. But this salvation only comes to those who continue in faith, love, and holiness, gathering it all into maturity. You can depend on this.

Ministers are to have one wife.
1 Timothy 3:12 "A deacon must be the husband of but one wife and must manage his children and his household well."

Since the church leaders in Ephesus at this time were men, this verse refers to the deacons as husbands. Paul wants male church officers to be committed to their wives. He is saying that polygamy is not allowed. This verse was not meant to exclude single men or women from serving as preachers in the ministry.

Conclusion
If women aren't suppose to preach in churches, then we need to find the appropriate Bible verses to back up this belief. The above verses do not apply. They were written to deal with different issues and addressed to the early Christian church in Corinth and Ephesus.

I did not write this post to promote feminism or to dishonor men. My purpose was to prove the fact that these verses do not provide Biblical evidence to keep women from preaching in churches. It's important that we don't twist around the original meaning of verses to fit our desired beliefs.

Just like men, women need to seek God's will for their lives. They need to do what He is calling them to do. Does this mean that women should go against the popular cultural views of the church in order to obey God's leading?


42 comments:

A Stone Gatherer said...

Shari what a great post! I love 1 Corinthians 14! I love the part about order in worship! I know that's not why you put it in there, but boy that chapter spoke to me last year! We have misinterpreted scripture for years! Thanks for helping people to understand they need to look at the whole context and cultural background to understand what Paul or any Bible book writer was saying.

Found said...

Well, I have to say I disagree with you on this one. God does have an order of things, one that can be seen throughout scripture, both by example and by specific verses. The order of men being in positions of preaching and authority in the church and in the home is God's perfect design. He saw the original sin that caused the fall of man- a woman, being deceived by Satan, and a man not standing to take responsibility, but rather letting the woman lead him into disobedience. I don't believe for one minute that God's design for women to be teachers of the Word to other women and children is a "lowering" or diminishing of the great things God calls them to do, whether it be in preaching or teaching or serving. But rather the differing positions within the body of Christ that men and women are to stand in are there so that ALL might grow. It's the natural course of sinful man to move aside if a woman takes over a position of authority. It's the natural course of sinful woman to seek to take over the positions of authority given to men, being unsatisfied with the calling God has for them.

I do believe there are Deborah's in the body of Christ, called to speak the Word, but even those, like Deborah, when under the authority of a man who WASN'T doing what God had for him to do, desired and spoke to encourage THE MAN to take up the calling God had for him, NOT TAKE OVER THE CALLING GOD HAD FOR HIM!

I say all this with conviction, what the LORD has taught me as I study His word. I disagree with your interpretations of those scriptures as being only applicable to those churches and those women in those times. But I respect your desire to know WHAT the Word of God says and to obey His calling on your life no matter what!

May you be blessed as you seek to take up your cross and follow Jesus daily!
sheila

Sher :) said...

Absolutely! :)

Tracy Berta-daughter to the King, wife, mother, speaker, writer said...

Shari,
Boy, this is a tough one, isn't it? I often struggle with this one myself. We have a female pastor at our church and I have thought about these scriptures....She is not the senior pastor. I agree with Sheila's points on leadership/authority and sinful woman trying to ursurp man's authority. But, I don't think this applies to teaching and preaching. Jesus tells us to go and tell the nations about the gospel. Should we not preach the good news to men? I think of Beth Moore and Joyce Meyer. And, look who first spread the gospel (to men)- Mary M.!!!

Shari, I have missed you! I have thought of you often and lifted you up in prayer, Sister.

Blessings,
Tracy

sharon said...

Interesting. I only want to point out one thing: Genesis 3:6 - Adam was standing right beside Eve when she took that apple. It was a joint decision..he followed her all the way to the tree didn't he? Its only later he had 2nd thoughts.

If that is supposed to be the reason why a woman should not preach, then it doesn't add up.

To the issue at hand...I believe that a woman is only under the authority of her husband. Think of Esther...she was under the authority of Mordecai; but should she have waited and consulted with all the men of Israel before going ahead to save their necks?
Same with Jael, Deborah, Rahab...the list is endless.

Teaching to just women and children is not lowering if that is what you are called to do. But it is important to find out from God the scope of the ministry He has given you.

OK Shari, I've gone on and on. Thank you for this post.

Amy L Brooke said...

I totally agree with you. I commend you for having the courage to write all of that out.

I was struggling on if I should write any about it as I know so many would disagree with me. I'm glad you were willing to step out there. I might still write on it, but time is short today....

It seems to me one of those things that honest Christians can disagree about. My challenge to people is to try to live consistently. For example, if women aren't allowed to teach men because we were so easily decieved, then why let us anywhere near taching Sunday school to impressionable 5-year-olds?

I love it that my church has come down on the side of allowing women to teach and be in leadership. Though, sadly, many left over the issue. (It is a nondenominational community church.)

Thanks for sharing.

sunflowerfaith said...

Very challenging post and very well written...God Bless You for tackling this subject!

Amrita said...

I agree with you Shar, I am of the same opinion about those verses altho I have many Brethren assembly friends who don 't practice this. We agree to disagree and have fellowship on common ground.

Vashonnte said...

i definately agree with you! and thanks for thinking about me while i was gone! i am back now i have just been so busy lately, I hope all is well I just wanted to say hello!

Lily said...

What a controversial subject! This has been a question I struggled with for a while. I was taught both ways. However, I do agree with your point of view.

In those days, women were thought as disrespectful. They were un-educated and learned mostly from their husbands (other than wife and mother duties). In church, men and women didn't sit together; they sat on opposite sides of the room. When they didn't understand something they would ask questions out loud, which was very disruptive.

There were many different reasons these scriptures were written, and I believe they were specifically for those times and those churches.

Sheri said...

I personally think that we just need to be under our husband's spiritual leadership - whatever that means. Your husband believes you should preach, follow him. He doesn't, don't.

thoughts?

The Forney Four said...

Jesus Christ never gave women the priesthood for a reason.... Motherhood is divine, sacred, and gets us closer to Him and our Father in Heaven than any other act. BUT that doesn't mean that we don't have a voice. Some of the greatest sermons and discussions I've heard and participated in have been from women, inspired by our Father's Spirit, bearing testimony of His living Son.

Carol Van Atta, Princess Warrior said...

Thank you for sharing about this challenging subject. I, too, agree that women can be gifted teachers and pastors with God's blessing upon them. I appreciate everyone who posted on this topic. Great food for thought and prayer.

Anonymous said...

Genesis 3:6 does say Adam was with Eve, but man was not deceived, it was Eve who was deceived and Man sinned first because he listened to his wife rather than leading by example. This may clear that up...

Genesis 3:12-19
The man said, "The woman whom you gave to be with me, she gave me fruit of the tree, and I ate." Then the LORD God said to the woman, "What is this that you have done?" The woman said, "The serpent deceived me, and I ate."

The LORD God said to the serpent,
"Because you have done this, cursed are you above all livestock and above all beasts of the field;
on your belly you shall go, and dust you shall eat all the days of your life.
I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and her offspring; he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel."

To the woman he said,
"I will surely multiply your pain in childbearing; in pain you shall bring forth children. Your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you."

And to Adam he said,
"Because you have listened to the voice of your wife and have eaten of the tree of which I commanded you, 'You shall not eat of it,'
cursed is the ground because of you; in pain you shall eat of it all the days of your life; thorns and thistles it shall bring forth for you; and you shall eat the plants of the field. By the sweat of your face you shall eat bread,
till you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken; for you are dust, and to dust you shall return."

I think I believe in what Sheri said about following your husband. But i think this extends further into the church and how the church should be run, as man is the head of the family and should be head of the church family.

I really am not here to dishearten anyone, but I believe we should follow God in the way that he has directed us. I am still learning and will continue to let God direct my thoughts and my life. Keep the comments coming!

dcloud said...

A woman can appoint themselves to preach the Word, but that doesn't mean it's right. We have to follow God's Word to the letter in regards to these matters and there is no provision for a woman to minister the Word in a pastoral position.

Barry said...

Shari,

Thanks for these reflections - they're interesting and helpful.

Can I ask a couple of questions:

1) You dismiss the situations in Ephesus and Corinth as localised problems and not universal, I guess you could have added Titus and Crete as well. But that covers a significant proportion of the early church - in other words - its beginning to sound like a church-wide issue. Back in 1Cor.11:16, Paul speaks (albeit of a slightly different issue) as a universal practice in all the churches. So to my question: how can you be so certain that Paul is speaking into a localised, enculturated problem, and isn't giving a universal guide?

2) When you quote 1Cor.14, you stop at v36. This is a highly significant place to stop - because in part you are disagreeing with what Paul is saying; and had you gone on to v37, this would immediately have created a problem: how do you handle what he says about those who disagree with him (to quote the Msg, "v37, If any one of you thinks God has something for you to say or has inspired you to do something, pay close attention to what I have written. This is the way the Master wants it.v38, If you won't play by these rules, God can't use you. Sorry." Two questions to ask from this:
1) Did you ignore v37-8 deliberately (please say no!)
2) How do you handle v37-8 in the context of what you're trying to argue?

Thanks

Anonymous said...

The serpent that spoke with EVE, got a voice and scripture says that the devil comes as an angel of Light. I believe that serpent is talking to the woman again and the men are doing just what Adam did. Stood and watched, then particiated in the act. The Word is the Word and you can not explain it away to fit your agenda. Women are doing something that the bible doesn't even declare. Jesus never chose a woman to preach. Mary was highly favored for a reason, she stayed in a woman's place. Though she was highly favored she too needed to be filled with the Holy Ghost. The church is allowing women to do what ever they want to do in the name of the Lord. But does God really approve this, or are we the church being deceived. Women have been out of order in a lot of things pertaining to the church. Why do you think we have this discussion. It because there are those who believe that God didn't call a woman to preach. Show me one woman in the gospels that Jesus told to go and preach and I will beleive that a woman was called to preach.

Kofi said...

The word of God is prophetic. It is written for all times and not just for a brief period of time. All things shall pass away and the word of God won't. Joel 2:28 only talks about the gifts of the holy spirit and not a calling to preach. Being an apostle or pastor is not a gift, it is a calling. I dont believe women should be allowed to preach. It does not make them less human but just the order of God.

Pastor David Martin said...

This is great post, and a subject that needs discussion. Thanks. I am preparing a teaching regarding women's minister and I wholeheartedly believe in the need and right for women to minister. THis post was helpful (love the message rendering of the Corinthian passage).

On another note, how do you get the verses to highlight and click through to bible gateway like that? I would like to do it on my blog. it is very helpful.

I am developing a Jesus Christ resource site with various Christian teaching resources and having click through verse like that would be great.

Anonymous said...

dcloud I agree with you totally. We must not assume that at that time maybe that culture was diffeent Maybe is a very dangerous word as God does not deal with maybes. It clearly states women should not be in this position regardless of if they feel they can preach. Once again it is our interpretation that we seek and not the author which can cause many problems within churches today. The word of God is not compromised to suit mans carnal desires. Women must know there place Men also. It is so easy to agree and justify especially as there seems to be many gifted women of God who we are fed (the word by) but that does not make them standing on the pulpit right.......

Ylenia said...

Hello, I'm from Italy. I agree with you Shari, but you said that you should do what your husband decide on you. So what happens if your husband is not a believer? Is this rule valid? Thanks.

Pastor David Martin said...

Hi there, my wife and I run the http://www.jesuschrist.co.uk blog in the UK and I have just been posting a series of articles about women in ministry. In my research for the subject I cam across your site and just wanted to say what a great help it was as I formulated the thoughts I wanted to express. It is not an easy subject because which ever way you lean someone will misunderstand your motives, and I think that your heart for proper balanced, yet liberated, women's ministry, really comes across.

kwbeetham said...

Kenion - I clearly believe that women may preach in the church, in the scriptures (Acts 18:25-26), we see women who were prophets etc., we saw where Aquilla and Precilla took Apollos unto themselves, who was supposedly mighhty in the scriptures, and they expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly, this clearly indicates that they taught him. Additionaly, in Galations 3:28 it says there is no longer male nor female, but we're all one in Christ Jesus, in other words, this will not hinder the workl of the Holy Spirit in our lives. That's all for tonight : email me at kwbeetham@gmail.com

Diego said...

found I totally agree with you and I truly praise God for women like you. Many of you talked about the culture and moment of that time. Culture and time has nothing to do with why God placed the 66 books of the bible that we have today. 2 Timothy 3:16 says, All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness. Teaching in the church and sharing the gospel are two totally different things. Women teaching other women is acceptable, its all about the structure of the church and Adam was led by Eve, it was not a joint decision, I have no idea where you got that assumption. The bible is very clear and we can´t make up our own interpretations. May the Lord bless you all.

Whitney Genee said...

I am writing a paper on how I think women should be able to preach, and this has been helpful. I whole-heartedly believe the Scriptures, and I think sometimes we have to look deeper to find the meanings of certain- what we might call- sticky passages. The Holy Spirit gives spiritual gifts to everyone, male and female, and one of those gifts is teaching (1 Corinthians 12). We certainly can't fathom the mind and thoughts of God, but I don't see why He would call a woman into something if He wouldn't allow her to do it. I believe if God has given a woman the gift of teaching, the ability to preach, and He is tugging at her heartstrings, then I think she should go prayerfully forward all the way.

Blessings

Naftro said...

Well, its a good argument you have posted but with all due respect i disagree with you.
My underline reason for disagreeing is because am convinced that is not what the Bible teaches.
Let me ask this question to all women you preaches and teachers in the church in the presents of men....how do you feel when you are preaching to them....what is your motive behind all that? Is it that you want to be authoritative?
I do agree that there are so many God given ministries that women can do....i also agree that women are to preach [witness] to men who are unsaved but in the order of the worship the bible does clearly say that women are to keep silent. Man is the authority over man and not the source. Coz to preach is exercising authority.
Anyway, am glad that you all are giving your best to study the word of God and to correctly handle the truth.
To all the women out there.....you dont have to be a preacher or teacher in the presence of man to be accepted but God, just be thankful that your have been of great help to the man.
May the good Lord give you peace and understanding as you study his words.
God bless

brad said...

You said there were many false religions in Epheses and that these false religions were being led by woman. You also said that the reason Paul orderd the woman to keep silent in the church and not to preach was probably becasue he was concerend about the woman taking over the church with false religions. If this is true or not it does not matter becasue of 2nd Timothy 3:16. There Paul says that all scripture is given by the insperation of God and is profitable for reproof,for correction, for instruction in rightousness that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

So if Paul tells Corinth and Epheses woman should keep silent, then he is also telling all congregations that woman should keep silent.The reason Paul told the churches at Ephesus and Corinth that woman should not preach is not important. What is important is that Paul said it.

I am not always good at explaining my thoughts so if you have questions please reply back.

Brad

Anonymous said...

Hello!

I just got done speaking with my Nana who is 70 years old.She was telling me about my great great grandmother Mary from Texarkana Texas, she was born in 1886.Not sure if this is historically correct but as my Nana tell it she was the first Pioneer woman to go off and speak the word of god. She has countless diary's of my great-grandmother quest and her hardships along the way . God led her to do this with 7 kids and as she called him a "sinner " husband as he drank more then he was supposed too. at that point in her life she wasn't sure if she could go on this quest god kept calling her to do , all said and done god made her a deal . and she set on her quests with no money no food only a horse and buggy.My only thought is how in world she made it to these places with out a map ? Only one way .. God led her to the people . I would like to post some of these diary pages so you can all see of what amazement I am in . to know that this young women with 7kids no money or food to go out and save countless souls and her document her adventures along the way . I believe that god made everyone to share the word of god. Even if its not straight from the bible , but a testimony is sometimes just as brilliant. When the bible was written it was when women had no voice and I do believe maybe that the book was altered with the times. All I know is that my great great granny was a great testimony of a strong god willed women and if we close our minds and open our hearts maybe us too can be great testimony's and save countless souls . thank you for your time in reading my little short story
God bless

Anonymous said...

Women today are making a serious error concerning church leadership. They can be leaders or teach in society, schools, colleges, home, etc. However, The church has specific guidelines outlined in God's word. Look, you can't change God's word if you try there will be punishment. The plain things are the main things and reading todays liberal mentality into scripture is very dangerous. Do you fear God? Fearing God is the beginning of wisdom. Warning, women should not USURP authority over a man concerning the church and home and our specifically our relationship with God. Please, Please, pray about this.

Nelly said...

I agree with what dcloud said. I believe what the Bible says and the Bible clearly teaches that women be in subjection. It doesn't mean that we as women are worth less then men, but we have different offices. The men are there to teach and preach the Word, while we as women are to be subject to them and stand behind their backs, pray for them. And I believe it's an honor for us. There is nothing wrong with teaching Sunday School to children or having a women's class, but it is soo wrong to teach men. Someone mentioned why we would be allowed to teach little impressionable 5-year-olds if not men; Well, I don't know if God thought about this, but this is just what I was thinking about. A 5-year-old's mind won't have such a hard time concentrating on the lesson because his teacher is immodestly dressed, while a man, if there is a woman preaching, and is wearing pants, or tight skirt, or a low neckline, or tight top, he will be tempted to look. But that is just my thought, I don't believe that was God's only reason for having written this order down. The Bible never gets old and it is written for us in today's world too. and the Bible still says, "But I suffer not a woman to teach nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence." 1Tim. 2:12
One more question: why is there mostly women that post comments here about them preaching? Why would we want the office God has given to our brothers in Christ?

Claire said...

I'm sorry, but you're horribly wrong in your interpretation of these 2 passages - particularly 1 Timothy 2. If you look carefully, Paul's reasoning behind not permitting women to preach has nothing to do with the social situation at that time! The reason he gives is that "Adam was created first, and then Eve." He's pointing to the natural order that God created, that man has spiritual authority over woman. It's not a matter of gifting or what we perceive to be right and fair - it's a matter of how God created his people, and what he had in mind when he did so! And you may harp on about "calling" etc, but at the end we have to ask ourselves where we get our calling from, and the answer is the Holy Spirit. Problem is, he's the same spirit who wrote the bible! So we come under scripture, and we test it. It's so easy and tempting to form our own doctrine and desperately use the bible to back ourselves up - "oh, but it might mean this here. Oh look, this might mean I'm right." At the end of the day, and you have to admit this, you are clutching at straws - looking for exceptions to obvious biblical rules in order that you might maintain what is, in your eyes, an unsexist/politically correct environment. I urge you to put what the bible has to say before your personal convictions.

Julipad said...

What you are doing is admirable, but its simply untrue. 1 Cor 30-35 does talk about order, but it enumerates what the order is about. It talks of prophesying and the order it should be in.

Then it says in verse 34-35; Women should remain silent in churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their husbands: For it is disgrace for a woman to speak in the church.

How clear could that be?. A woman not speaking was part of the order. That is the verse that backs it up. Don't try to dilute the bible to make it more palatable to readers. That is the problem with us christians. This is the word of God, not a feminist propaganda. You may disagree with it, but don't lie about its basis

Anonymous said...

May I point something out? TIMOTHY (1 & 2) IS NOT THE WORD OF GOD, IT IS THE WORD OF PAUL. Paul wrote letters to these churches telling them how HE thought they should be run. I don't know about YOU guys, but in my Bible, the words of Christ are in red. If I literally interpret ANYTHING in the Bible, or use it to guide my life, it's going to be the exact words of JESUS THE CHRIST. NO ONE ELSE, not even Paul, has the authority to tell anyone what they can and cannot do. Galatians said " you are all one in Christ. " " the is no male nor female. " I think Paul couldn't make up his mind! Christ calls ANYONE to share his word to the masses, not just certain people.

Anonymous said...

I certainly believe this. if God calls you, to preach. I would suggest preach. John Wesley faced an issue with a woman named Sarah Crosy, who went to church (society) one Sunday and the circuit rider didn't show. Rather than leave Sarah knew the Bible well and preached. She wrote a letter to Mr. Wesley saying, " I did not know what to do so I preached. Mr Wesley returned saying, "Preach if you must".Women and Men preach if you must.

Minsiter Leon Hitchens said...

Hello. My name is Minister Leon Hitchens. Being a man minister of the gospel and most importantly a believer in my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, I must say that this issue is very disturbing to me. The devil has many tricks and traps to turn people away from God. To tell a woman who has accepted what she claim to be her calling to become a preacher,that the word of God says that she cannot preach, can cause her not only to turn away from preaching but also from the church. This is one of the most important decisions that anyone can make in their lives. The question is not whether or not a woman should preach or teach, the question is whose responsibility is it to tell them. I don't believe it is no man or woman place to tell them. If a woman says that God has called her to preach the word and in fact he did not, then rest assured that it will be God that brings HER OR HIM down. That is the way the Holy Spirit works. Only what you do for Christ is going to last. May God Bless You and Keep you is my prayer.

Anonymous said...

@ the Forney Four: I agree. In Leviticus God gave the priesthood to the Levite Men. Now this does not mean women can't preach or share the Word of God, but they should not take on the role of Pastor or Priest. I am not sexist but it is clear in Genesis that God constituted that woman would serve their husbands but they, the leaders of the house -- men, would toil for the food. It is this position of leadership that and representation of Jesus Christ that men and men only should be pastors once again not to say women can't give testimonies or sermons, just take on the leadership role. http://www.gotquestions.org/women-pastors.html

Anonymous said...

Women,
Please do not make the Holy Bible sound the way you desire. The Scriptures say it, and so be it!

When 1 Cor 14, 1 Cor 11, 1 Tim 2, etc are so clear, why do you still doubt? What pride of yours makes you question what is Spirit-breathed?

Apostle Paul- a well-learned man, a Jewish Pharisee, intelligent, knowledgeable in the complete Law of the LORD God, raised up in thedeep wisdom of the Greeks- when he says something, he means it!
I see a lot of influence of feminism in the West, and worse yet - even among the believers.

Please do not be a woman of Proverbs 9:13. If you do not agree, you are challenging the authority of the Scriptures, and the design of Christ's Bride.

And by the way, please stay away from the Message. Christianity is of middle-eastern origin. Americans are Gentiles too. Do not look at the Bible from a North American, Caucasian viewpoint. It is simply and plainly errant to do so.

If this post infuriates you, deal with it!

-guyfromnurburgring@yahoo.com

Anonymous said...

My favorite post here was the one about the scripture that says a woman should keep quiet because Eve was deceived by the serpent, then why are we allowed to teach children.

This is logical thinking.

Maybe it has something to do with the influence wives can have over their husbands. Like the scripture that says a man who is disobeying the word can be won by the chaste conduct of his wife without the word.

LiamBenIsrael said...

According to the Bible Blacks and HIspanics are the Real Jews. Women are not aloud to teach men according 1st timothy 2: 11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. Now according to the bible Paul told all the churches this law according to 1st Corinthians 14 verse 33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
PLease do not mix feminism with the bible. Learn your role and order with God But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
h God. 1st Corinthians 11 verse 3

Anonymous said...

I will say that I have to disagree with you. This is an issue that I too have struggled with.
I grew up in a home where my mother wore the pants in our house -my father was physically present but didn't step up to be the biblical role of what God calls men to be. Thus I grew up with a streak of feminism that said women have to be in charge because men are screwing it up. However, my family has a lot of problems. God has been opening my eyes through Godly men I have come to know at my church that being in subjection to men is no bad thing when they are men who are living as God intended and are not abusing their power -it is what he created us for, to be their helpers (that doesn't mean their servants!)

I agree with the point about Adam, Eve was in trouble and he just stood there. And this apathy is many a man's downfall and makes it difficult to grow into the womanly role God has called us to when men are not living up to their roles.
But I think it can take more courage to maintain our God given femininity and coming along side and encouraging our brothers in growth in their manhood than too take over their roles.
God created men and women differently (thank goodness!) but He did not create us to be meek -He merely designed us for different primary roles.

Anonymous said...

Man is the head of the home, and so why would it be different in the church? So I guess this means a woman should lead a nation too??? God has a calling for everyone and mine is with children... Women try to hard to take the place of man and Its just not for me!

David Marttin said...

I too feel strongly about this subject. It is great to find information about a shbject that needs to be discussed.

Check out the series of posts on my blog that may be of interest to those who have an interest in women's ministry:

http://www.jesuschrist.co.uk/the-word/ministry/womens-ministry-1-what-does-the-bible-say-about-women-ministers/